I’ve said for a while that the SSA should do basically this exact thing. In a more controlled manner, but still the same result. Announce something like “in two years, we’ll make our database public. Every single name, DOB, and SSN will be publicly searchable.
It sounds radical, but SSNs were never meant to be a secure form of ID. Old cards even said something like “do not use this as ID” on them. But organizations quickly latched onto it because they wanted to have a way to identify individuals with the same name and DOB. And SSNs were convenient because people already had them.
It would force organizations to develop their own way to ID people. It would be a huge step towards making an actual secure form of ID. And the warning time would give people enough time to design the new system and roll it out, while still giving a hard deadline for when it needs to be done.
No, we don’t need this at all. businesses need to be fined out of existence for using the ssn, and lenders should do due diligence without some imaginary score.
Exactly who I trust to create a logically organized database of all peoples within the United States. The current administration…
I don’t love the idea of the Trump administration being in charge of creating a national ID system, but this maybe the best time to make one.
If Democrats proposed a national ID database the crazy ‘FEMA is coming to round us up’ republicans would freak out about it. As proven with Trump sending the national guard into D.C., as long as Trump does it they don’t care.
I dont have a problem with that, but what I will object to is the current regime making the replament ID system. 1) there is no way they would design it well or securely, smart people capable of building such a system are usually the first to bounce to another country as they will have the means to do so. 2) it would be too easy for them to lord the new ID over peoples heads (like they are with immigration status now) and impliment a social credit score like China does.
Your correct that SSNs should not be used as IDs, but getting the government to build a modern system for that opens too many avanues for abuse (especially with darth cheeto in charge).
I don’t know much about it, but what did they change with the whole Real ID / star on Licenses and such. I believe the purpose was to make it so the IDs were to a minimum standard so they could be accepted in all 50 states. If they all had unique ID numbers (I don’t know that they do) they could have just used those, or expanded on those and already have the ID system in place. To travel to another state and have a valid ID, I believe the cut off date is November of this year. (At least for my State, because my spouse doesn’t drive and her ID she was told would no longer be valid post November if she doesn’t go in and get it done)
It could be why it’s being done, because SSN are being used inappropriately. Potential leaks like this will force banks and other entities to begin making account access more difficult, and this will make it from difficult to next to impossible for a large number of seniors, those who’ve saved the most and have the biggest accounts, to access it. This would happen even if it was done in a two year controlled manner.
DOGE employees should be executed by firing squad. In fact, we should bring back a whole bunch of capital punishments- hanging, beheading, drawing and quartering, burning at the stake; unless you meet the fascists at their level you’ll never scare them enough to keep their political views private. Like what happened to Mussolini was TOO GOOD for every single person involved in the executive branch right now.
Do this to everyone Trump hire or part of his cohort including him. They are all evil gangster criminals.
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SSN is a good example of the illusion of freedom for Americans, why have a standardized Photo ID when you can have a set of numbers that when leaks can ruin your life.
OP, please revise your title to match the article, it is currently misinformation.
The complaint is about where the oversight comes from. This is not some random cloud server.
“S.S.A. stores all personal data in secure environments that have robust safeguards in place to protect vital information,” he said. “The data referenced in the complaint is stored in a longstanding environment used by S.S.A. and walled off from the internet. High-level career S.S.A. officials have administrative access to this system with oversight by S.S.A.’s information security team.”
I agree that “random server” is a bad choice of words, but do want to add additional information context as the concern isn’t necessarily unwarranted. Another qoute from the article:
“I have determined the business need is higher than the security risk associated with this implementation and I accept all risks,” wrote Aram Moghaddassi, who worked at two of Mr. Musk’s companies, X and Neuralink, before becoming Social Security’s chief information officer, in a July 15 memo.
Its also sounds like they did spin up a new database with limited security/oversight to “move” faster. Why that’s worrisome is they aren’t denying there is a risk or lack of security, they are just saying it’s justified.
Oh yea, agree it’s a dumb move. This should be on-prem data IMO.
BUT WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE SENSATIONALISM?
I don’t think it was a “random” cloud server at all. I think the people who bought the data already have it now.
Half right. OP’s title is massively misleading. Private SSA cloud, the complaint is about where oversight comes from.
They (the DOGE bros, especially Elon) deserve prison time for their fuckery.
Is the answer, “what is treason”?
Baby, don’t skirt it. Don’t skirt it. The law.
Funny, I have an interview invite from DOGE (I considered joining USDS before it became DOGE, had been asked to join by a member back during Obama). Obviously I never did it, but I do keep those emails for historical purposes now haha
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Yes…prison
An extremely short life sentence
Gee, who could’ve foreseen this happening after a gang of techbro goons forced their way in and opened backdoors on all those computers…
Forced their way in, were given the keys and explicit orders to take all the data and put it in massive back-door ridden places for themselves and Russia, potato, potahto
You know, at some point you actually do something to put out the fire, you leave, or you burn.
they will have to get rid of social security now. it’s the only way
The whole world knows by now that these numbers are good for identifying people, and what a giant data privacy hole it is that they even exist.
So, no wonder, it had to happen sooner or later.
The whole world knows by now that these numbers are good for identifying people, and what a giant data privacy hole it is that they even exist.
No, the giant problem is that you can do everything using only SSN.
Good, let everything go wrong in America, they might eventually wake up and realise what a clusterfuck they’ve allowed themselves to become and actually do something about it.
Gee, thanks from the rest of us who already know that.
Gee, you know and are doing what about it exactly? To the rest of us looking in, it looks like you’re paying lip service to it, a few demonstrations and some cardboard signs? Is that how you manage to overthrow fascism, weekend protests? good luck.
Sure is easy to spout bullshit on an internet forum. You know absolutely nothing of both what is being done here and the situation most people face.
If you have nothing productive to contribute, kindly fuck off.
I have cousins in Texas, I will kindly fuck off and live happily knowing you’ve bowed down and gone into the good night with a whimper. It’s going to be fun to watch DC and Chicago turning into some random ME country. You have the army on the streets and you do fuck all. You have Nazi flags and call that free speech. Sad to say but you reap what you sow.
May you find the peace online you never could in real life.
I genuinely appreciate the sentiment, peace is small fleeting moments. Anger is the over riding emotion, the state of the world is cause for anger. Bless you.
They elite cackle when we do their work for them and are at each other’s throats over giant generalizations online. Make them work for it. We should all offer to help each other, not whatever this thread is.
Help who? No one can help them, it’s really up the americans to sort their shit out.
Help whoever you can with whatever you can. Everyone is different. My strengths and weaknesses are different than yours friend. No one person is a lost cause, and history has taught us that no one country is either.
No one person is a lost cause, and history has taught us that no one country is either. >> Agreed, but for now it’s a hard transition, and hopefully this has shown that your constitution and checks and balances need to be revised in the future to prevent another authoritarian takeover.
What are you champ doing to stop genocide in Palestine?
Aren’t you able to stick to the topic of the thread? There are many Palestine threads, go harass people there.
Accelerationism like that never works. When it all settles, you get extremely mild improvements for a whole lot of hurt.
What do you propose then, I’m asking in good faith. It’s fairly obvious to anyone with common sense that Trump, the GOP and the entire MAGA movement and their ilk need to be removed from power. How can people fight the government that is back by billionaires who control your entire lives?
Protests must be more sustained instead of the bursts of activity we’ve seen. Even direct action will fail if it’s not combined with large scale protest methods. Unfortunately, people get worn down doing constant protesting.
Trump won’t be around in another 10 years one way or another. It’s rare to find cults of personality that outlive their leader. But if we use Nazi Germany as an example of what happens next, it’s basically a return to liberalism. Half the country went to that almost immediately, and the other half just took longer. Granted, Germany has a better social safety net than America does now, but it’s hardly anti-capitalist.
TBH, I don’t have a good answer. I’m mostly doing the anarchist thing of using social groups to get people to rely less on capitalism and more on each other. That’s more of a long term thing, though.
I appreciate the honest reply, I agree with most things, I think large scale protests must include a general strike. This administration is all about the bottom line, and a sustained general strike will hit them hard. I’m well aware of the argument of people living paycheck to paycheck seemingly unable to do that, however the alternative is very bleak. I wish you luck and keep it up
Just to address the idea of a general strike, you pretty much have to get sustained protests going first. More specifically, they have to encourage people from different backgrounds to work together outside of capitalist structures.
I forget the exact example, but I think it was the 1934 San Fransisco general strike. Whole city shut down, including restaurants. One problem was that there were a lot of young men who worked in the factories and lived in small apartments with no kitchens at all. They went to the general strike committee and made it known that they rely on the restaurants for their daily meals. The committee understood and had some restaurants approved for opening along with delivery trucks so they could operate. Problem solved.
Point is that you need organization around that sort of thing where even marginal groups can have their problems heard. Without getting people into organized groups, it’s going to fail. If nobody listened to those young men and did something, then they would have had the choice of starving or crossing the picket line.
Those are all excellent and valid points, do you think normal thinking Americans will manage that, sustained protests followed by strike action. I completely understand the point made about the young men, the elderly and most vulnerable groups will need support. Right now all I see is some protests in some states but nothing indicates this will evolve.
Honestly, no. US infrastructure for this stuff is scaffolding, at best.
Yeah, more protests that aren’t just like once a month. But I don’t know how to organize that, and most of the platforms that people communicate on are owned by the worst people.
This is all on purpose. Nothing’s going wrong [for them]. The well being of regular people isn’t the goal.
Oh, i get that, I was talking about the people and their meek protests. The elites are laughing all the way to the bank. End stage capitalism.
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“I just cloned it onto my server because my connection is not really good!”
Zero details or sources other than one disgruntled employee, yeh I’m not buying this at all. They probably count azure or AWS as a “random cloud server”.
Really scraping the bottom of the barrel for anti-doge/elon content these days.
Yeah, god forbid we have people who aren’t fucking idiots taking care/maintaining our information.
I’ve got him tagged as “likes Elon” just as a heads up.
Don’t recognize clanker pronouns, that’s a bot!
You should put a little star next to the tag to complete the irony of it.
If you read the article, the current head of the SSA acknowledges they did set up the system being discussed and that he’s accepted the increased risk of the implementation as there is a “business need”.
