: Want to pass on that old PC? Perhaps wait until out-of-band patch arrives
  • doctortofu@piefed.socialEnglish
    2·
    9 days ago

    Jesus fucking Christ, is Windows just 100% vibe coded now? How do those fuckups keep happening? It’s honestly unbelievable…

    I’m so glad I decided to move away from it - I still have no idea what I’m doing in Linux, but then again I never had a lot of idea about what I’m doing in Windows either, so it’s all good :)

    • floofloof@lemmy.caOPEnglish
      2·
      9 days ago

      As the article mentions, it’s because Microsoft cut down their quality control to the point where they’re just sending stuff out then reacting when people report what breaks. Sure they have their “insider” builds but that program isn’t working very well to catch these issues that find their way into release builds.

      Back in the day they had a massive testing lab and a big team of testers. Then they fired them all just over a decade ago. We can thank Satya Nadella I guess. He’s more of a line-go-up man than a good quality products person.

      • dan1101@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        9 days ago

        This is what happens when corporations become so large, their product so ubiquitous, and have so many customers that they don’t need to worry about actual quality or service.

        • ripcord@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          9 days ago

          That’s what happens when big corporations decide that they can get away with having 30+% less staff, which most of the big companies are doing.

          Plus lots of other efficiency killers, like RTO policies for teams that work 80% with people in other regions, etc.

      • doctortofu@piefed.socialEnglish
        0·
        9 days ago

        It’s completely insane to me that businesses deal with it without suing their butts off. I can understand individual customers, they tend to be docile, but how did all this not cause massive losses to a litigious company yet?

        • innermachine@lemmy.worldEnglish
          01·
          8 days ago

          The fact of the matter is almost nobody really deals with these issues. I’m not saying they don’t exist, but their definatley blown out of proportion by the LINUX OR DIE echo chamber that forgets people have to use their work equipment or just want everything to work natively without having to learn bash and a hundred other things to make shit work. 75ish % of computers run windows, 2% use Linux. So an issue that effects a insignificant amount of windows users would be like half of the Linux base. I love Linux don’t get me wrong, and use it on my garage computer and other fun projects but my main gaming PC and my wife’s PC and all the computers at work all run windows for a reason. I doubt Linux has a good software to run a plasma table or a CNC mill, some stuff u just can’t do on Linux without investing more time than is worth.

    • InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      9 days ago

      You might not yet always know what you’re doing to your Linux install…
      But you can never really what the fuck Microsoft is gonna do to your windows install.

      That’s without even getting into whether or not Microsoft knows what they’re doing themselves.

      • doctortofu@piefed.socialEnglish
        2·
        9 days ago

        Amen to that.

        I settled on Manjaro for now because it’s super nice and easy to use - I heard it had some issues with updates on the past, but for the last year or so it’s been really nice for me, so I’ll wait until the first screwup before distro-hopping somewhere else :)

        • yeehaw@lemmy.caEnglish
          0·
          9 days ago

          Enter your pin to unlock keepass. Don’t worry, I’ll make it pop up UNDER all the other windows when you want to unlock it. Also no, we still have a stock plain icon for windows hello in windows 11.

          • Wispy2891@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            8 days ago

            that’s what renders windows hello almost useless. I like the idea of having a short pin for logging in but it doesn’t mean bitwarden can be unlocked with the same pin instead of biometrics…

  • Sunkblake@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    9 days ago

    I got a survey question from windows feedbackhub on my work computer yesterday, asking if i would recommend windows. And i thought fine ill answer this seriously with real reasons why.

    I wrote a long explanation from my own experiences helping people and using it, half way through i shit you not, the feedbackhub froze and crashed.

    • Random_Character_A@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      9 days ago

      I don’t usually leave feedback. I have done it maybe six times when I’ve been really pissed. In two of those times I’ve gotten “server error” or similar after writing a long rant and pressing “send”

      Seems to be a really important and respected part of any service.

    • Gerblat@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      9 days ago

      It probably detected a certain number of flagged words or phrases and knew it was gonna be really negative feedback and “crashed”

      • Sunkblake@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        9 days ago

        It wasn’t even that negative.

        Would you recommend windows to family and friends?

        No, 90% of those i help (ages 10-70) with computers and tech dont need a computer, they can use their phone for everything. A phone can pay bills, contact friends and family even print documents or pictures just fine and they have everything they need and want.

        The only reason someone even wants a PC today is to play games or they need it for work and in those cases i usually don’t need to recommend them an os because they probably don’t have any other options, because they are comfortable windows or mac.

    • Nougat@fedia.io
      0·
      9 days ago

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        0·
        9 days ago

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  • neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    0·
    9 days ago

    How does Microsoft regularly. Was up this badly?

    Do all companies (Apple/linux) do it to but we don’t hear about it because of the smaller user base or is Microsoft literally this incompetent?

    If they are, why can they fix the root issue?

    The is a genuine question that I don’t have the answer to.

    • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      9 days ago

      However often you think windows machines break on updates Apple ones break 100x more.

      • undefined@lemmy.hogru.chEnglish
        0·
        9 days ago

        I’ve been on macOS since the Windows XP era and never in my life has the OS broken after a software update.

        Come to think of it, same goes with iOS. I’ve been on iOS since the iPhone 4.

        • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          7 days ago

          Probably also comes down to not many softwares deciding to fuck with system files.
          Recently had a borked Win7 -> Win10 install that was unable to keep the Win11 upgrade stable.
          After an update and reboot it stopped working.

          Probable reason why: Some McAfee drive encryption driver embedded in the system files.
          The drive wasnt encrypted. All files were externally readable by our backup software.
          But removing the files from system32 borked the system and resulted in BSODs.

          Is it this invasive on the mac side?

        • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          9 days ago

          Yeah I had an apple machine running filevault get locked out of its file system during an update and end up with no OS. Tried to revert back to before the update but the encryption keys werent working to unlock it. I had to install a new OS which isnt to bad on mac. Worst part was it wasnt even a major upgrade just a security patch.

          • neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            1·
            9 days ago

            War this a widespread issue? I know every computer can have one of issues, but Microsoft seems to have regular widespread issues and I was wandering about example where Apple also had widespread issues.

            • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              4 days ago

              yes all computers have issues. Check the apple forums if you dont believe me

      • floofloof@lemmy.caOPEnglish
        0·
        9 days ago

        My Apple-using friends seem split on this when I ask them whether Macs are stable these days. I’ve heard from several people that their reputation for stability is a hangover from the past, and updates in recent years have been somewhat unreliable. But it would be hard to get good comparative data given that the companies won’t be eager to share the numbers.

        • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          4 days ago

          We have the data, its why almost all companies run fleets of windows devices. When buying leased devices the price difference is negligible. The only difference is no one wants to run support for an all mac fleet.

      • THX-1138@lemmy.mlEnglish
        01·
        9 days ago

        This is complete bullshit Windows machines break WAY more often whenever MS releases their spotty updates. Especially when they decided to break up their quality control dept years ago. Every other week or so you get this shite with Windows/MS.