Meanwhile I’m making every one of my computers Linux.
First, you should be able to interact with it naturally, in text or voice, and have it understand you.
Second, it should be able to see what you see and be able to offer guided support.
And third, it should be able to take action on your behalf.
Fourth and finally, it should be able to destroy your corporeal form and live on as digital-you liking your aunt’s dog pictures on Instagram and writing Facebook posts about immigrants taking our jobs, with just as many creative slurs as you would use.
Take action on my behalf? Absolutely not. Go fuck yourself AI.
_____ _ _ ____ _ __ ___ _____ _____ | ___| | | |/ ___| |/ / / _ \| ___| ___| | |_ | | | | | | ' / | | | | |_ | |_ | _| | |_| | |___| . \ | |_| | _| | _| |_| \___/ \____|_|\_\ \___/|_| |_|i think the whole problem is that they call it AI, which basically describes it as something that it just cant deliver
It can deliver… your personal information to the states +third-parties
Microsoft is doing more for Linux adoption than anyone else ever has lol
Valve with Steamdeck and Proton development: “Am I a joke to you?”
Steam took the cap off the toothpaste tube.
Microsoft is giving the toothpaste tube a good squeeze!So many people just immediately gave into ChatGPT, I doubt Microsoft’s actions will do that much damage. Besides, for anyone not using it it’s pretty easy to ignore. I don’t do a single thing on my PC that requires much beyond opening a game or Firefox so I don’t feel the pressure to leave at the moment.
Ironically, one of the things that I’m moving to Linux for is the gaming performance boost that I’ve heard some people report due to the lack of Windows bloat and telemetry running in the background all the time.
Bazzite, the Linux version I keep seeing people recommend for gaming and people new to Linux has had a big boost in users in the past 6 weeks or so, apparently, that people are completely attributing to Microsoft.
They are helping, yes, but windows 11 is a driving force like I’ve never seen.
It’s only really viable though, because of Steam and Proton
Not everything is vidjagames
No, but those two things have been such a massive driver for Linux adoption, that it isn’t really relevant.
I’m not trying to belittle the contribution of Valve or Proton or anything, completely agree it’s a massive contributor. There’s also a lot of work done by a lot of people to get us to that point (and tbh I flipped a long time ago and did more console gaming, so I kinda see it from the opposite perspective - proton has brought back PC gaming for me rather than allowing me to break free of windows.)
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Honestly, big shoutout to Microsoft for the strong push to get me in Linux’s loving embrace.
Double shoutout to them for making it very easy to not even considering to come back.
That and backwards compatibility for Win7 & Win10. Shares of those OSs have gone up and several application developers have announced continued support or are advocating for unlocking/keeping secure those OSs.
Source?
And Mac.
Yes definitely, but mentioning anything good about Apple on Lemmy gets you stitches…
I mean there’s good reason for that but MacOS is kinda in between Windows and Linux, in terms of usability and shitfuckery.
Switched to a Mac 11 years ago and never looked back. Their OS is stellar.
apple did their part by putting siri front-and-center on iphones.
stellarly bad
There isnt anything good.
I would rather manage Apple ecosystem devices for family than Windows any day of the week.
I did and believe me, you do not.
I do, and trust me, I do.
Your comment is only proving my point.
Someonw had to do it :)
And literally 99% of their userbase will stay on Windows.
I have said the same as well. Prior to them dropping the fat grumpy that is 11, I was all in on the windows ecosystem for myself. I heavily modified it of course so it didn’t have a bunch of the nonsense but overall, the experience was good. But then they started warping 10, and then they came out with 11 which was massive garbage at release and now is worse garbage years down the road. And with that AI outlook, I’m full on bailing from everything.
MS has to justify thier cost of spending so much money on AI datacenters, they need everyone to buy it to offset the unprofitable cost of AI usage. thats why they are so desperate and suddenly trying to force W11 down peoples throat.
I’ve got two friends that are right in the edge of trying. One has a spare thin client that he wants to PoC with and was asking for distros and how to install. The other was thinking of jumping in the deep end with Arch, and I’ve warned him, but the wiki is solid, he’s not dumb, and Arch install is better than it ever has been.
PoC? Punch only Clowns?
Proof of Concept.
It’s obvious that Windows and Microsoft remain as evil as they were in the 00s when they basically singlehandedly held back web development with ie6 for a fucking decade.
return of the clippy, now named skynet.
If you’re stuck with Win11, this will unfuck quite a bit of it.
How to either make more sheeple or convince more to switch to Linux.
With 68% of consumers reporting using AI to support their decision making, voice is making this easier. [1]
Does anybody actually believe that 68% of consumers use or even want Copilot? But they included a source for this very generous assertion at the bottom of the page:
[1] Based on Microsoft-commissioned online study of U.S. consumers ages 13 years of age or older conducted by Edelman DXI and Assembly, 1,000 participants, July 2025.
Oh yeah, that’s compelling: US consumers, 13 years old and older. An entire thousand of them!
So the only question I have left is which junior high principal Microsoft “compensated” for this survey, and what happened to the 320 summer school attendees who said fuck you, no anyway.
They got that 68% usage number likely by counting everyone accidentally using it after a search swap or similar trick.
- 68% of people who answered the survey full of loaded questions they sent to a curated demographic
When google shoves their ai to the top of search results, its hard not to read it. I’ve been spoiled by ublock and I am no longer used to ignoring the first few things that come up.
I’ve been using Duckduckgo with uBlock for years, so I had no real problems with anything like the hell of Google “sponsored content” until Duckduckgo started putting up their own AI search assistant. Since then I’ve gone from start.duckduckgo.com to noai.duckduckgo.com because I got tired of turning their search assist off and couldn’t reliably block it with uBlock because they kept changing it. (I delete all cookies after every browser session and do not maintain individual app accounts, so their AI settings options were never gonna work for me.)
Because of the way my brain works, I literally don’t even want to see what AI says until I’ve done my own looking. Yet I never failed to turn it off, because I just can’t rely on it.
Usually when I’m looking for something I’m in a hurry, so it’s less trouble for me to just pick my own sources, preferably older than 2023 if possible, and read a bit myself than to spend time getting blithely lied to, or even just suspect hallucination/omission to the point that I think I need to verify it before I can rely on it.
It’s not an exaggeration to say that for me, it is literally faster to skim three or four completely different primary sources than it is to try to verify the assertions in a single search assist paragraph: one is just light reading, the other is point by point comparison of the AI offering against multiple independent sources. So I read.
I’ve never regretted summarizing a topic myself, but I’ve definitely gotten some rotten eggs from AI, both in blatant non-truths AND in holes of omission you could drive a truck through. I won’t make that mistake again. So for me, AI summaries are well worth staying wary of for now.
My favorite is when AI summary answers a question, then the links from the search below contradict that answer. It’s shit for biomedical research.
Maybe Marginalia could work for you? I’ve tried using it, but it’s a lot more focused on academic stuff (rather than figuring out song lyrics or which episode some TV quote came from). It’s an “old school” search engine, though, so a bit less convenient than google, duckduckgo, etc. if you weren’t around in 90s/early 00s for that.
Yeah like we all use chatGPT for the most part now but that still does not mean copilot
Fun fact though out of topic: I once searched for 2 girls one cup in copilot, and though it said I cant talk about it, it provided sources and one of them was a link to the video
I can’t judge you for that, I feel like you probably got the very best Copilot has to offer, lol
they are equating “AI support” with “I want AI copilot integrated into my OS”
and that’s a big leap
Also just because you have used AI doesn’t mean its overly useful. Gone to ChatGPT multiple times to try getting information that Google now is too shit to provide, and ChatGPT ends up providing some stupid response that is clearly wrong.
Occasionally used ChatGPT to find a website to use as an actual source, but now those sources are also AI written bullshit that is clearly wrong. Which is increasingly concerning because while I know some things are wrong, I don’t know everything. How many other things that it points to are wrong? Its not too bad if you are able to verify it through non LLM sources, but what if you can’t?
It’s the newspaper (news site or app now) problem. You read the news from your venue of choice, taking it all in, sorting out how you feel about it, maybe pick a side on an issue. Then you turn the page and there it is. An article about your career field in A.
Wow, you might think, they got this so wrong. They clearly have no understanding of A. You might even get angry about it.
And then you read the next article.
Yeah, I’d believe it. Outside of anti-AI circlejerks people like AI, especially ones like ChatGPT, and especially if it is available right at their fingertips. It’s quickly becoming a part of everyday life and processes.
The anti-AI people need to start accepting that today and every day after it is going be the day that AI plays the smallest part in humanity’s future. The genie is out of the bottle and it’s never going back in. The sooner they can accept that and let go of the hate and see it for what it is - a useful tool to help you - the better and less angry their lives will be.
I think the more important thing, is for people to push to make AI a public good, rather than a corporate hegemony. If corporations are the sole creators and holders of AI, they will do all sorts of terrible things with their mastery. Publicly developed and open-sourced AI that is free for anyone to use, is important.
The refusal for the public to truly make AI their own, would be akin to letting corporations to control every single printing press.
You make a good point, and the end of this movie remains to be seen (though I agree that right now it looks like AI is here to stay).
I use AI pretty regularly to check for holes on some extremely long compliance documents for work, and the results in terms of not missing parts and reducing the time of the task is amazing, to say the least.
However, this is very different from having an agent controlled by MicroShit seeing everything you do in what is supposed to be YOUR computer, and giving it all to MicroShit to do God knows what with your data.
Yes, AI is currently the new smartphone boom, but there are many ways to use it without showing up completely naked in front of these assholes, especially since you’re not even given an option to cover yourself.
How useful is it really? I constantly hear about it being wrong and I’m not so stupid that I can’t handle a search through Wikipedia on my own.
Why should accept this thing that is of such little benefit to my life? Why should I accept this thing that is constantly wrong? Why should I accept this thing that just allows uncreative and insecure people to fill the internet full of garbage?
If you need AI as it is to help you do things then I pity you greatly.
You’re constantly hearing negative stuff, exaggerations, and lies most likely - especially if you are hearing it on places like this.
Ok but we know that it’s very often wrong and tries too hard to make you feel good instead of actually giving correct answers. It makes up reasons for made-up sayings, often struggles with math, and has a whole host of other issues while acting fully confident in its infallibility. We have several studies that seem to show that its use is having a negative affect on ohr critical thinking skills as well. After all that it doesn’t even provide a service that’s worth anything even if it didn’t come with all those downsides. Using a search engine just isn’t that difficult and AI “art” is a goddamn cancer.
It’s terrible for us and we don’t even need it! No, fuck “AI”. We have a big enough problem with people trying to find the easy way out to such a degree that they refuse to learn how anything works and slapping a big “do it for me” button on everything is just insane. I’m not saying that everything needs to difficult but we are so averse to even the slightest challenge that it leaves us with nothing but a complete lack of basic skills and an assload of insecurity.
AI is a tool. It’s not a person, it’s not a be-all-end-all of anything. Just like a person can use excel and come up with the wrong numbers, people can use AI and come up with the wrong answer.
Just like with every tool, there are people who can’t use them properly, there are people who are good enough to get modest results, and there are people who are experts at their craft who can do amazing things with them. AI is no different.
If you want a calculator, use a calculator - not AI. Use the right tool for the job and you’ll get the best result.
Studies can be made to say anything, and I know the ones you are talking about - they’re bogus.
Except that anyone who can use it properly can also just do the job without it, and the amount of damage it is doing because it’s freely available to everyone is insane.
You’re completely ignoring all my arguments. This sorta makes sense since your original reply was very “just ignore the bad stuff and it’s good!” but you’re going to have to address those things. I meanc, you did say “they’re bogus” and then not elaborate at all, but I’m assuming that if you have the energy to continuing writing comments then you would also have the energy to do the far more efficient thing and show me why those studies are bogus, right?
You’re completely ignoring all my arguments.
No I’m not, I addressed them. LLMs not being able to do maths/spelling is a known shortcoming. Anyone using it to do that is literally using it wrong. The studies you talk about were ridiculous, I know the ones you’re talking about. Of course people that don’t learn something won’t know how to do it, for example - but the fact that they can do it with AI is a positive. Obviously getting AI to write an essay means that the person will feel less “proud” of their work, as one of the studies said - but that’s not a “bad” thing. Just like how people don’t need to learn how to hunt and gather anymore doesn’t mean that it’s a bad thing - the world as it is, and as it always will be from here on out, means we don’t need to know that unless we want to do it.
Again - AI is a tool, and idiots being able to use it to great effect doesn’t mean that the tool is bad. If anything that’s a showing of how good the tool is.
We put the leaded gasoline genie back into its bottle, time to put the AI slop genie back into its bottle too!
I think it’s important to still give a critical eye towards the use of AI, but at this point I think it’s clear that not only is the use of AI going to stop (even once the bubble bursts), but also that the top-end models are just becoming more and more capable every month.
A couple years ago I was giving GPT-3 complex prompts and laughing at how bad and error-prone the output was, but last week I was using GPT-5 to give me information in a field I have little knowledge of, and it’s giving me perfect answers in seconds that takes me 20+ minutes to verify as correct, and that’s tens of times faster than actually learning the field myself. Even if I were to take a year to learn it all myself, I’d then need to not only retain all of that information, but also keep up-to-date on advancements in that field, which an AI will just do over time. This way I can concentrate on the fields of work I already know and follow, but can dabble in other fields without expensive retraining or bugging others in those fields with basic questions.
what was it specifically?
There is a vast difference between people using/liking AI and people using/liking Copilot.
Not really. Copilot is AI, and people will be made aware that it’s available everywhere in Windows.
I’m not sure what your point is. There are many people that like AI but don’t like Copilot. So a statistic of people liking AI is not equivalent to a statistic of people liking Copilot. That’s like saying people love my baking because people like baking in general, even though I didn’t ask anyone about my baking in particular.
Oh are there? Where’s your source?
Any primary school math textbook will do as a source and tell you not all rectangles are squares, even if a square is a rectangle.
So what’s your point? That not everyone likes copilot? No shit. My point was that there isn’t a “vast difference” between using/liking copilot and “AI” as you said there is.
…and 99,99% of middle managers ‘’‘working’‘’ in tech be like yeaaaaaaaa daddy just cram that shit down my throat like I’m an abused goose!
Microsoft is so incredibly fucked when the AI bubble starts to burst. They’ve abandoned so many of their other projects and customers to go all-in on it.
I dunno. I feel like they are like the cable company now. They will jus sit there twiddling their nipples while we are all fucked.
I need the cable company (or similar) due to the fact that infrastructure is hard to deploy, and we need Internet to participate in society.
Nobody needs Microsoft cause every single one of their products has an alternative that’s at least as good.
They survive by courting enterprises, but many of them can also switch away if they want.
On a personal basis that works, but they are so corporately entrenched that their products getting shitier matters quite little.
Seriously this, it would take something like the PCI or SOX declaring Windows outside of compliance for Microsoft to die from bad business decisions in the US. Although German gov switching to Linux starts treading a path through
Nothing like FOSS when it comes to cost cutting.
How long until they successfully lobby the US government to make FOSS illegal somehow
What could easily happen is they break a GPL license, then take it to the supreme court, so they can kneecap GNU licensed projects by making the mandate of making every change public unenforceable.
(The EU should just leave the Berne convention, then make it’s own decisions on copyright, including stripping monopolies like MS and Disney of copyright protections.)
Oh really, how bummed would they be?
They will be fine. They are second most valuable company in the world. They have money to throw around and their source of income still seem inexhaustible. A few new Linux users won’t even make a dent.
Sorry to be so blunt, but it’s the truth no matter what we are wishing for.
If this was true (not that they are the 2nd most valuable company, that much is clear), why would they bend over and support W10 for another year in the EU while fucking up everyone else? There are ways for companies that seem to be immortal to self-destroy. Intel for example. Did any of us thought that they could burst 10 years ago? And look at them now, crawling asking for help.
All you need is a seriously bad decision, then doubling down on it, and just watch it spiral down until they crash.
The seemingly endless access to money only makes the process take longer, it’s not a shield from catastrophic failure.
It’s very much true. W10 was cause of pressure from companies and countries, not because of the odd Joe contemplating their os.
Any company may fall, but they can also fail from inaction. Ms has the option to get data no one else can. They can’t afford not to.
Yeah, that certainly plays a role. What really blows my mind is that governments and companies KNOW this about Microsoft, yet they choose to stay in their infrastructure. This world just keeps getting weirder every day.
Yes and it’s not new. There have been failed attempts to get out of Microsoft by governments and companies around the world for more than a decade. Its hard. The cost is huge, the benefit vague and distant.
The only reason why is gaining ground now it’s because US got really crazy. Not because of the cost of Windows licences. Not even because of invasive AI.
Stop the world so I can get out of it 😔
I keep parroting this, but in the next couple of years, I think there will be a couple of giants that fall. I work in ServiceNow and they, like many others, have gone all in on AI. Their problem is that they were slower than some, their solution is half baked at best, and it’s prohibitively expensive. Nobody is paying 10s of thousands+ extra for the licensing to be able to run agents, and less are paying the extra licensing required for the users to be able to use that agent.
I’ve now been pulled into copilot studio, and yet again it’s another product rushed to market that isn’t ready for the big stage. Dog shit documentation and training material, and terrible environment design.
All of these big players have invested so much money in adding AI, nobody wants it, and now they’re all hemoragging money.
Their problem is that they were slower than some, their solution is half baked at best, and it’s prohibitively expensive
Sounds like a lot of company these days.
Precisely my thoughts. Companies that are all in on this, except for 2 or 3 of the ones that actually are making headway on AI (as opposed to just mirroring Sam Altman’s ponzy scheme like Microsoft is doing), will eventually crash and burn.
Look at Apple, they’ve been left behind in the AI race, but they have other good stuff thatsome of their fans will support (I’m using the word “good” very lightly here), and with their market value and endless cash flow, they are way more likely to still be here 10 years from now.
None of us can see the future, but we can look at the signs. MS will never be a point of reference for AI, as that task belongs to OpenAI and Google exclusively for now (and Meta to some extent).
I always was wondering APPLe never announced any kind of AI initiative, through all this craze. thier iphones, and macos, macbooks, and desktops is enough profit as it is. i wonder if they did caluclations, that AI is going to cost them alot more than it will generate revenue/profit, and after seeing how GOOGLE, OPENAI, MS, ,etc isnt generating any income, they probably abandoned at this point.
GOOGLE is definitely all in, thats why they want to datamine you to sell and offset thier AI center costs. they Largely abandoned thier pixel development
Could be, but on the other side of the coin, their sales of iPhones are at an all time low this year (by that I mean that the sales were not as good a previous years on launch), and some articles blame their Apple Intelligence not being up to par with Google’s Gemini and using OpenAi as the backbone for Apple Intelligence. Which is as much a privacy nightmare as Gemini, if not worse.
Hate to tell you, but we’re all incredibly fucked. Least of all Microsoft. They know what they’re doing. They most certainly already have a plan for recovery, as they know it’s coming just as well as everyone else.
It won’t make a difference.
What other projects they abandoned do you see as so critical that it would break Microsoft?
I think that Microsoft will continue in some form regardless of what happens with this bubble because they have huge amounts of physical assets and cash on hand.
That said, their market position in any given sector they’re in might not be as invincible as it seems. There are corporations that were titans of their industries, including technology, that either don’t exist or are ghosts of their former selves all in far less than a lifetime.
Kodak, Xerox, Bell Labs, IBM, and Yahoo all looked like unstoppable juggernauts when I was a kid, and my own kids haven’t even heard of some of them.
Windows Live Writer, obviously.
Copilot, Github, LinkedIn, ChatGPT are the ones that come to mind. All of them have started to degrade in quality in one way or another, and with the exception of LinkedIn, they all have competitors that could potentially, over the long haul, could dismantle Microsoft. They’re also running out of places to extend and extinguish.
It probably won’t happen in one or two lifetimes, but enough cracks in a dam accumulate and eventually the whole thing breaks.
It probably won’t happen in one or two lifetimes,
I understood their comment as AI crash leading to Microsoft crash. A decade of degradation is a different argument - that I would agree with as more realistic.
linkedin went downhill when they started requiring accounts to see other profiles. just wanted to check up on people from my university. jobwise not so useful, for non-tech resumes or if your resume is not hefty.
Making every Windows 11 PC an AI PC
Great, so everything runs locally, making it a self-contained “AI PC”. Otherwise, the headline surely would’ve been, “Making every PC collect data to train Microsoft’s models with little benefit in return“. Right?
What do you mean “little benefit in return”?
Clearly, it streams a buttload of data!
Your ISP bill will surely grow. Hope you’re not roaming with your laptop on!
At this point, regular use of AI should forbid you from voting. It not only means that you can’t make decisions on your own, but that your choice can be affected by the people owning the AI service.
Someone I work with puts every question they have into GPT. They are completely incapable of having an original thought anymore.
GPT is causing real life brain rot for the general public.
First steps of windows install:
- No to everything for data monitoring
- Google or Opera default browser
- Disable or ignore all copilot icons
- Unstick all user folders from OneDrive
- TranslucentTB
google as default browser
You sweet summer child, Google is as bad if not even worse than Microsoft. Chrome is no longer the browser the memes that glazed it used to depict it as.
Also, didn’t opera sell to some spyware company? I’m team zen (firefox fork with some very neat extra features) btw.
opera has been owned by chinese company since 2016.
You forgot the step where you ignore step 2 and use Firefox.
All your points are a bit questionable:
- Sure, you should click no to almost everything Microsofts asks anywhere, but that hardly helps. Use privacy tools like O&O Shut Up to actually disable spy stuff.
- God no. Vivaldi is nice if you must have Chromium (this is made by the guys who used to build Opera, before it was sold to shady new owners), otherwise Firefox.
- See point 1.
- Just uninstall the damn thing, or some tools of point 1 might do this for you.
- If you must, sure.
Using Enterprise version of Windows is the best option, it already has most of the malicious stuff left out.
Yah… You dont own your OS on W11, you had better script those changes or they might be reverted on major updates. (They do that for the default browser all the time, and they will likely break that script every year or two)
This is why the [gestures broadly to Lemmy community] evangalizes for Linux so much, everyone is going have to learn a new OS anyway. Aside from what ever Apple is doing, there really are only two choices, a free and open source suite of software that is trusted because everything is public and auditable, or an OS that activly contributes to the creation of the Torment Nexus. We do get that some applications wont work on linux, but my response to that is to look for a new version anyway, your living on borrowed time. Windows 11 is rolling full speed ahead on breaking compatibility with everything Microsoft did not make (and therefore cant update to collect data on you).
Google or Opera default browser
What about Librewolf,there is a build for it for windows but no auto updating
