“It’s cold outside… your lights are on, your door is open, and you just ordered DoorDash… And within 15 minutes, you’re asleep on the couch naked? Come on now. That is voyeurism,” she said regarding the incident.
Or maybe, just don’t be a creep that strips (or remains) naked and tries to get a gig worker to see you naked? You’re a woman at work and a strange man, in an area unfamiliar to you, has tried to engineer a situation where you walk into him being naked. Recording was likely a safety instinct as well as expecting people wouldn’t believe her if she decided to report something.
I don’t think people expecting to work without random men getting naked around them is the problem here.
I’m not saying it’s not wrong. I’m just saying this is way blown out of proportion. If you see a naked man while working, why are you hanging around. Just leave.
Are you unfamiliar with the concept of intoxication? Passing out naked is not an uncommon occurrence. I’m sure there are other reasons this could have happened without any ill intent whatsoever.
I will grant you that it is a weird and uncomfortable thing to walk in on as a stranger but calling it sexual assault feels like an insult to rape victims.
If I get drunk and crash into a sidewalk, that doesn’t change the nature of what happened nor my responsibility in bringing it about. Even if he was drunk and got naked, it changes virtually nothing about the situation. I don’t get to go around waving my little guy at women just because I get pissed prior.
I think the term sexual harassment was used not assault (edit: in the article. Regardless assault can mean different things in different jurisdictions). Not holding people who engage in sexual harassment (or assault) to account decreases the safety of women who could be put in that situation daily. It also enables perpetrators by excusing their behaviour. There could be a million explanations for why he was naked, some might even be plausible but more likely the guy is a creep.
You’re right it doesn’t matter if he was drunk or not.
If she entered his home without permission she’s at fault.
If he lured her in to expose himself intentionally then he’s at fault.
To the people asking “who orders delivery naked” it take maybe 2 seconds to throw on shorts and a shirt. Or he could have a robe to put on
Either way we don’t have enough details to determine anything. The only thing we have enough facts on is doordash being scummy and stealing money from the driver
Drunk driving is illegal, as is public nudity. Being drunk and naked in your own home is not. Unless something else happened, he didn’t do anything strictly illegal.
Something else did happen, he ordered food and had someone coming around to deliver said food and left the door open. Also, he potentially did do something illegal, again from the article:
The legal criteria for indecent exposure often rely on the idea of an incident happening in “public space.” But, “exposure can be deemed indecent if visible from public areas, such as a street or neighbor’s yard,” according to legalclarity.org.
Nice. Now we’re at the straight up blaming her and downplaying sexual harassment part of the conversation. Never mind she had video evidence of this incident.
The video evidence either showes her entering a home illegally or a man illegally exposing himself.
The only way to know would be to prove the man’s intentions and determine if the door was intentionally left open
Edit: It’s come to my attention that there is no evidence she entered the home at all. That’s a baseless claim being spread in this thread. The article is vague, and we don’t have sources to say one way or another
You’d have to have admission of guilt from the guy to prove anything.
I don’t know about you but I don’t try to enter stranger’s homes regardless of if the door is open or not.
This whole thing rests on “did he intentionally leave the door open with the intent to expose himself” or “did she illegally enter his home and saw him. The door being left open unintentionally”. We need a lot more facts to know for sure.
Edit: It’s come to my attention that there is no evidence she entered the home at all. That’s a baseless claim being spread in this thread. The article is vague on the matter. If he was visible from the door that changes things
I think the larger point here is the article has presented someone as being a potential victim of sexual harassment; in which she faces punishment from her employers. Yet people are questioning her actions and making excuses for the bloke. I think that’s worth pointing out, not really a matter of “being correct” imo.
Or maybe, just don’t be a creep that strips (or remains) naked and tries to get a gig worker to see you naked? You’re a woman at work and a strange man, in an area unfamiliar to you, has tried to engineer a situation where you walk into him being naked. Recording was likely a safety instinct as well as expecting people wouldn’t believe her if she decided to report something.
I don’t think people expecting to work without random men getting naked around them is the problem here.
I’m not saying it’s not wrong. I’m just saying this is way blown out of proportion. If you see a naked man while working, why are you hanging around. Just leave.
Are you unfamiliar with the concept of intoxication? Passing out naked is not an uncommon occurrence. I’m sure there are other reasons this could have happened without any ill intent whatsoever.
I will grant you that it is a weird and uncomfortable thing to walk in on as a stranger but calling it sexual assault feels like an insult to rape victims.
If I get drunk and crash into a sidewalk, that doesn’t change the nature of what happened nor my responsibility in bringing it about. Even if he was drunk and got naked, it changes virtually nothing about the situation. I don’t get to go around waving my little guy at women just because I get pissed prior.
I think the term sexual harassment was used not assault (edit: in the article. Regardless assault can mean different things in different jurisdictions). Not holding people who engage in sexual harassment (or assault) to account decreases the safety of women who could be put in that situation daily. It also enables perpetrators by excusing their behaviour. There could be a million explanations for why he was naked, some might even be plausible but more likely the guy is a creep.
You’re right it doesn’t matter if he was drunk or not.
If she entered his home without permission she’s at fault.
If he lured her in to expose himself intentionally then he’s at fault.
To the people asking “who orders delivery naked” it take maybe 2 seconds to throw on shorts and a shirt. Or he could have a robe to put on
Either way we don’t have enough details to determine anything. The only thing we have enough facts on is doordash being scummy and stealing money from the driver
i don’t order delivery but i’ve placed many a takeout order naked.
Drunk driving is illegal, as is public nudity. Being drunk and naked in your own home is not. Unless something else happened, he didn’t do anything strictly illegal.
Something else did happen, he ordered food and had someone coming around to deliver said food and left the door open. Also, he potentially did do something illegal, again from the article:
Indecent exposure is not sexual assault and he was in his home!
It’s gross, but the overreaction is ridiculous
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Nice. Now we’re at the straight up blaming her and downplaying sexual harassment part of the conversation. Never mind she had video evidence of this incident.
The video evidence either showes her entering a home illegally or a man illegally exposing himself.
The only way to know would be to prove the man’s intentions and determine if the door was intentionally left open
Edit: It’s come to my attention that there is no evidence she entered the home at all. That’s a baseless claim being spread in this thread. The article is vague, and we don’t have sources to say one way or another
You’d have to have admission of guilt from the guy to prove anything.
I don’t know about you but I don’t try to enter stranger’s homes regardless of if the door is open or not.
This whole thing rests on “did he intentionally leave the door open with the intent to expose himself” or “did she illegally enter his home and saw him. The door being left open unintentionally”. We need a lot more facts to know for sure.
Edit: It’s come to my attention that there is no evidence she entered the home at all. That’s a baseless claim being spread in this thread. The article is vague on the matter. If he was visible from the door that changes things
How about we agree that both of you can be correct?
Why the actual fuck would we do that tho?
I think the larger point here is the article has presented someone as being a potential victim of sexual harassment; in which she faces punishment from her employers. Yet people are questioning her actions and making excuses for the bloke. I think that’s worth pointing out, not really a matter of “being correct” imo.
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