Trump has been hinting for several weeks at carrying out attacks in Venezuela. In October, he acknowledged that he had given the foreign intelligence agency, the CIA, secret orders to plan attacks in the country.
And for months, the United States has been attacking boats it claims are linked to drug trafficking from Venezuela, but it has not provided evidence that these “narcoterrorists” actually pose a direct threat to the U.S. The government argues that this threat justifies military force. However, many critics and legal experts point out that there is no proof of a direct threat to the US, thus no formal armed conflict, meaning these operations amount to illegally killings in international waters. At least 105 people have already been killed.
In fact, relatively few drugs come from Venezuela into the U.S. The synthetic opioid fentanyl causes the most fatalities in the US, but is mainly produced by Mexican cartels from Chinese raw materials, NOT Venezuelan cartels. The US seems to want to see leftist authoritarian leader Nicolás Maduro leave. Wth? So Trump is just like Putin attacking Ukraine?
Putins wants Ukraine for resources and to have Zelensky out and is bombing them, America wants to bully Maduro out AND for the largest oil reservoir in the world in Venezuela so they also bomb them… Ok?
It seems the whole point is to provoke Maduro to respond in order to escalate into a full blown conflict. Maduro needs to go but let’s not forget about Cuba, the immoral embargo on the poor Carribbean country and what did it achieve ? Nothing, the regime hasn’t changed. The reason is not drugs, the reason is oil. The trump administration thinks it owns Venezuelan oil and oil is all that Trump can think about.
There have been many studies on this subject (none in the US, since we are under strict prohibition). They calculate both harm to user and harm to society.
Almost all these studies are in agreement that there are three classes of ‘hard’ drugs that are significantly worse than the rest- opioids, amphetamines, and alcohol. Many rate alcohol as slightly more destructive than the other two.
Tobacco is rated significantly less harmful, mostly because of the amount of tobacco it takes to do harm. No one dies from a single night of heavy smoking; many people die from a single night of alcohol, amphetamines, or opiates. Second-hand smoke is dangerous, but not nearly as dangerous as a drunk driver.
Personally I think these studies underrate benzodiazipines, they should be considered the fourth class of hard drugs imo.
When harm to society is considered, does that include such things as health care, legal/criminal, and damages to property?
Death would obviously be a more weigghted category.
The single use danger makes sense.
I wonder, is length of horrific suffering and toll it takes and trauma it leaves, a factor?
(My dad was a drinker, his many medical issues attributed to drinking were not much fun to witness over the 7 months I had to stay with them til he died.
Also “relatively few drugs come from Venezuela into the U.S. The synthetic opioid fentanyl causes the most fatalities in the US, but is mainly produced by Mexican cartels from Chinese raw materials.”
Uh there’s Krokodil (actually it turns out most of what you read is the production not the literal chemical desomorphine causing most of the issues you hear about)
Sure, but isn’t that just because anyone can buy them in the supermarket? Start selling opioids in the same way and I’m pretty sure those stats would change.
Is the AK-47 the worst weapon we’ve created just because it’s killed the most people?
I don’t think that’s how those stats are supposed to be used, imo.
There are several countries that basically did this and no, the stats don’t change. In fact, de-criminalizing those drugs has lead to a decrease in usage and associated deaths in all cases I’m aware of.
Decriminalization isn’t anywhere near the same as legalization. One means you wont go to jail when you get caught with it despite it being illegal to sell, while the other means it’s legal to possess, buy, and sell.
I’m also curious about the rates of users to deaths and not just total number of deaths as most adults use alcohol at some point while only a tiny percent use stuff like meth or heroin.
Its an interesting abstract but unfortunately doesn’t include the data or breakdown of methodology without having Lancet access.
Members of the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs, including two invited specialists, met in a 1-day interactive workshop to score 20 drugs on 16 criteria: nine related to the harms that a drug produces in the individual and seven to the harms to others. Drugs were scored out of 100 points, and the criteria were weighted to indicate their relative importance.
Trump has been hinting for several weeks at carrying out attacks in Venezuela. In October, he acknowledged that he had given the foreign intelligence agency, the CIA, secret orders to plan attacks in the country.
And for months, the United States has been attacking boats it claims are linked to drug trafficking from Venezuela, but it has not provided evidence that these “narcoterrorists” actually pose a direct threat to the U.S. The government argues that this threat justifies military force. However, many critics and legal experts point out that there is no proof of a direct threat to the US, thus no formal armed conflict, meaning these operations amount to illegally killings in international waters. At least 105 people have already been killed.
In fact, relatively few drugs come from Venezuela into the U.S. The synthetic opioid fentanyl causes the most fatalities in the US, but is mainly produced by Mexican cartels from Chinese raw materials, NOT Venezuelan cartels. The US seems to want to see leftist authoritarian leader Nicolás Maduro leave. Wth? So Trump is just like Putin attacking Ukraine?
Trump is like Bush Jr attacking Iraq over some nonexistent “WMDs.”
Yes, Trump is exactly like Putin attacking Ukrain
The only reason trump hasn’t attacked Canada is because we are demographically uncooperative with standard US bombing campaigns…
Pretty sure its because you guys could fight back
Putins wants Ukraine for resources and to have Zelensky out and is bombing them, America wants to bully Maduro out AND for the largest oil reservoir in the world in Venezuela so they also bomb them… Ok?
Because Trump wants to look just as tough guy as Putin. He needs to start a war which he can win.
It seems the whole point is to provoke Maduro to respond in order to escalate into a full blown conflict. Maduro needs to go but let’s not forget about Cuba, the immoral embargo on the poor Carribbean country and what did it achieve ? Nothing, the regime hasn’t changed. The reason is not drugs, the reason is oil. The trump administration thinks it owns Venezuelan oil and oil is all that Trump can think about.
So America ensures ‘peace by enforcing it’ (from the national security strategy) on Venezuela, why even have a democracy?
Alcohol and tobacco are by far the worst of any drugs ever created.
There have been many studies on this subject (none in the US, since we are under strict prohibition). They calculate both harm to user and harm to society.
Almost all these studies are in agreement that there are three classes of ‘hard’ drugs that are significantly worse than the rest- opioids, amphetamines, and alcohol. Many rate alcohol as slightly more destructive than the other two.
Tobacco is rated significantly less harmful, mostly because of the amount of tobacco it takes to do harm. No one dies from a single night of heavy smoking; many people die from a single night of alcohol, amphetamines, or opiates. Second-hand smoke is dangerous, but not nearly as dangerous as a drunk driver.
Personally I think these studies underrate benzodiazipines, they should be considered the fourth class of hard drugs imo.
This is a great response.
When harm to society is considered, does that include such things as health care, legal/criminal, and damages to property? Death would obviously be a more weigghted category.
The single use danger makes sense.
I wonder, is length of horrific suffering and toll it takes and trauma it leaves, a factor?
(My dad was a drinker, his many medical issues attributed to drinking were not much fun to witness over the 7 months I had to stay with them til he died.
I am not ok.)
Sorry to hear about your father.
I believe the study considered everything you mentioned, you can see the categories in this graph:
PDF of the study is available: Drug harms in the UK: A multi-criterion decision analysis
Also “relatively few drugs come from Venezuela into the U.S. The synthetic opioid fentanyl causes the most fatalities in the US, but is mainly produced by Mexican cartels from Chinese raw materials.”
Uh there’s Krokodil (actually it turns out most of what you read is the production not the literal chemical desomorphine causing most of the issues you hear about)
No.
In terms of mortality it’s not even close. Alcohol alone kills nearly twice as many people as all other drugs combined.
Tobacco, 5x as many.
Sure, but isn’t that just because anyone can buy them in the supermarket? Start selling opioids in the same way and I’m pretty sure those stats would change.
Is the AK-47 the worst weapon we’ve created just because it’s killed the most people? I don’t think that’s how those stats are supposed to be used, imo.
There are several countries that basically did this and no, the stats don’t change. In fact, de-criminalizing those drugs has lead to a decrease in usage and associated deaths in all cases I’m aware of.
Decriminalization isn’t anywhere near the same as legalization. One means you wont go to jail when you get caught with it despite it being illegal to sell, while the other means it’s legal to possess, buy, and sell.
I’m also curious about the rates of users to deaths and not just total number of deaths as most adults use alcohol at some point while only a tiny percent use stuff like meth or heroin.
Studies in the UK show that there are three classes of ‘hard’ drugs - alcohol, amphetamines, and opioids.
All three roughly follow the ‘10% rule’: 10% of people who try these drugs become addicted, and 10% of addicts die from their addiction.
Meth, heroin, and alcohol each kill about 1% of the people who try them.
Drug harms in the UK: a multicriteria decision analysis
Its an interesting abstract but unfortunately doesn’t include the data or breakdown of methodology without having Lancet access.