Vice President JD Vance is blatantly attacking the Constitution’s separation of powers after a federal judge ordered the Trump administration to fully fund the Supplemental Assistance Nutrition Program.

Speaking in the White House Thursday, Vance called the ruling “absurd,” because “you have a federal judge effectively telling us what we have to do in the midst of the Democrat government shutdown.”

“What we’d like to do is to have the Democrats open up the government, of course, then we can fund SNAP, and we can also do a lot of other good things for the American people,” Vance said. “But in the midst of a shutdown, we can’t have a federal court telling the president how he has to triage the situation.”

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    Their goal is to remove the constitution - so… yay mobsters? yay rule of crime? be quiet or be gone.??

    The Baffled States of Biffville want to know.

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    the democrat shutdown

    Lmfao theyre pushing this so hard, is that the angle here? Do they really think people are going to buy into that?

    I mean of course some will, but you didnt need to lie to those people in the first place. Just tell them trump wants to rape their kids and theyll buy their kids lolita express tickets to mara lago

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    Speaking in the White House Thursday, Vance called the ruling “absurd,” because “you have a federal judge effectively telling us what we have to do in the midst of the Democrat government shutdown.

    It’s called the rule of law you couch fucking dipshit. Just bc you got permaliner and ozempic then started cheating on your wife with the widow of a guy you probably helped assassinate, doesn’t mean everybody has to treat you like a precious little snowflake ❄️

    We all know you made it from West Virginia to Yale. We all know that you know what checks and balances are. Just come out and admit you’re betraying the U.S. as part of the dumbest coup ever attempted.

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    As soon as it looked like we were headed into another shutdown, my guess was that their play would be to argue, “alright, it’s shutdown, I guess we don’t have a government anymore. I have no choice then, but to make a new one.”

    Which you’d think would be a widely unpopular move, until he comes in with “and we’ll just use the original US constitution, no extra stuff like ‘amendments’, just good ol’ 1776 like the founding fathers intended”.

    I think his base would actually get behind it.

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    In other words, they had a program to literally feed the poorest people, and they decided to leave it without funding despite clearly being able to maintain it, now a judge directly orders them to fund it again, and yet they protest and try to avoid it, or they do avoid it, or something.

    Despite all of the above, his voting intentions haven’t dropped to zero. The world is sometimes perplexing.

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    When Trump is gone, we’ll have a huge problem with JD “Just Dance” Vance. He’s even more committed to the cause (aka Yarvin, Thiel/Karp, Andreeson, Dark Enlightenment, Network State, etc.) and is more competent to carry out those actions.

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        Yeah that’s the one thing Trump has that Vance doesn’t. He has some kind of magic charisma that draws people to him, which to this day I don’t understand. But I think with the full Newsmax/OANN/Fox/Tiktok/TPUSA propaganda machine behind Vance I’m sure they could convince MAGA to go along with him.

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          They’re praying Trump will get assassinated so that Vance getting revenge can be the propaganda angle.

          Edit: or Hegseth, I could see him trying to grab power too

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    When Trump is gone, we’ll have a huge problem with JD “Just Dance” Vance. He’s even more committed to the cause (aka Yarvin, Thiel/Karp, Andreeson, Dark Enlightenment, Network State, etc.) and is more competent to carry out those actions.

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      Yeah, this isn’t just about not wanting to fund SNAP, this is about Vance trying to normalize unitary executive theory/directly attack separation of powers.

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    Is he wrong? Courts have done chicken shit judgements and the judgements aren’t enforced.

    Vance is a dunce, but Trump’s admin has thrown wild shit to the wall that sticked and here we are.

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        In your first example, it is the USDA defying Trump’s order. Ketanji Brown Jackson just paused the order to pay full SNAP benefits until the appeal on the first circuit not even a day after the Court of Appeals maintained that SNAP benefits had to be paid in full even with the shutdown in place.

        In your second example, it isn’t even a court order, it’s just Elon Musk bootlickers realising that he did a lot of shit, rehiring federal workers so that the government can somewhat function.

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          Here is the step by step reality of what is actually happening:

          1. As a bargaining chip, Trump said he wouldn’t be funding SNAP at all until the shut down was over. Allegedly the budget just didn’t exist due to the shutdown.

          2. Last week, one of the U.S. district judges who apparently aren’t doing “chicken shit,” (McConnell) ordered the USDA to use $4.65 billion in emergency funding to partially cover SNAP benefits for November. The Tump administration back peddled, and already agreed to provide the partial funding (a little over half the funding necessary for the entire month). That’s why even conservative states like my own quietly released more partial funding on the 7th (but shhh 🤫 that kind of destroys the entire argument judges have no power).

          Why did the Trump administration back peddle and agree to even partially fund SNAP? Probably because between those no king rallies that “aren’t doing anything,” and the sweeping victories of Democrats across the nation this past week, the GOP are understandably a little spooked. Especially considering one of the no king rallies that “aren’t doing anything,” took place in a conservative TN district that also voted Democrat in their local election last week (despite very strong support for Trump in the 2024 presidential election).

          1. After Trump’s administration agreed to fund half of the SNAP budget, on Thursday of this week, judge McConnell issued a new order that the USDA to use a separate department program that has $23.35 billion in funding from tariffs that support child nutrition, to make up the shortfall and pay the full amount for the month (~$8.5 to $9B total) by a deadline on Friday.

          2. On Friday, JD Vance and other like minded individuals seemed to suddenly forget the administration already agreed to follow the chicken shit judges orders to partially fund SNAP, and Vance went on TV to remind America that judges aren’t the boss of the president.

          What’s most interesting to me is that in order to buy Vance’s propaganda, you have to believe that Trump is both somehow above judicial rule, but also a victim of crooked partisan judges who are using their authority (that they don’t have?) to pick on the poor almighty ruler.

          So instead of just using his magic wand to do whatever he wants, the Trump administration asked the 1st circuit to halt McConnell’s order to fully fund SNAP. (Some might argue that partially funding SNAP after saying there would be no funding, already proves the chicken shit judges are doing “something,” but to do that you would also need to admit the administration has somehow already been partially reigned in by the chicken shit judges who do nothing and hold no power over the magical king president.)

          1. The administration also appealed to the 1st circuit. The 1st circuit denied their request for an administrative stay (so the deadline was still the deadline). They have yet to make a decision on the formal request, but the panel of 3 democratic judges said they will be doing so as quickly as possible.

          2. Since the 1st circuit denied the administrative stay, the USDA issued the memo you’re dismissing, saying they agreed to fund SNAP in full. However, in order to kick the can a little further down the road, or at least score some “victim of judicial abuse points,” they could later reference on Fox News this weekend, the administration then requested an emergency stay from the supreme court.

          Although it’s obvious what the decision would have been if a democratic president was asking for this emergency stay in a district where the case was being decided by a conservative justice, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson surprised everyone by destroying their go to argument of “politicized judicial abuse,” and instead granted the Trump administration a temporary stay which will expire after the lower “chicken shit” court gives their final ruling, (and most likely will just enforce McConnell’s original rule).

          In other words, the administration did all of this, to have courts reach the same decision and force them to fully fund SNAP, but they do get to ignore the Friday deadline to provide full funding. Behold the almighty king’s rule, and tremble at the chaos that has been laid out before you!

          So yes, the main take away here is clearly: chicken shit judges have no power to do anything (as long as you ignore what they’ve already partially done and will make a final decision about fully doing soon), nobody can tell the president what to do (except for the chicken shit judges who apparently can’t do anything except what they can do, but are also somehow welding their useless but mighty power to abuse the almighty rule of the king who cannot be stopped by those judges), and the No Kings protests don’t do anything either (except spread public awareness, win elections for the opposition, and scare the GOP into backing down from their original threats).

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            If the US justice system was remotely functioning, Trump and many of his admin would be rotting in jail right now and we wouldn’t have come this far in the fascist state.

            The courts have pushed half a funding of the SNAP?! What a victory for all the Americans! Hurray! How about shutting that shit down completely and hand the Trump admin its ass like it ought to?

            Imagine celebrating what is going on right now with the SNAP funding as a win?

            So yeah, the judges are chicken shit and they’ve failed the people.

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      Any examples? I’ve seen them threaten to ignore court rulings but I don’t think they actually have, yet. They were forced to fund SNAP for November and to bring back the guy from El Salvador, drawing a blank on his name, Brega-Garcia?

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        How many people were deported in countries they aren’t even from without a due process?

        ICE is literally kidnapping in broad daylight and are emboldened to ignore the right to a due process.

        The SNAP benefits are paid in spite of the court orders. The USDA is defying Trump’s order. The Court of Appeals decision was paused late last night (Friday) by Justice Ketajni Brown Jackson until the first circuit of appeals issue a judgement on the matter.

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          But if we move the goal post back to where it originally was, and believe the judges don’t do “chicken shit,” how can they do any of that?

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            How fucking dense do you have to be. I answer your questions, somehow I moved the goal post?

            The Trump admin is literally kidnapping people in the street and somehow the justices are doing fine work? Like, how is this even a start for a discussion here? How is that not shut the fuck down and Trump and his fucking croonies not in jail? Because the judges are fuckwits.

            The US justice system is dead, the US is fully a fascist country now and we are all worst for it.

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              So the comment that you replied to, was in response to a comment arguing that Vance is correct in claiming judges have no authority over Trump, and that Vance’s claim is proven by the fact that they “haven’t done chicken shit” in response to anything Trump has done.

              When some of the chicken shit that they have done, proves that they do indeed have some power and authority (not unlimited because that’s not how checks and balances work) no big deal, just ignore that and pivot to arguing that even if they do have some authority and do something it’s not enough. So rather than just admitting Vance is full of shit, it becomes an argument that since they don’t do enough to stop him, or have enough power to just over throw the president and the executive branch of the federal government (while apparently just ignoring that judges have undeniably created some road blocks and barriers to keep Trump from fully overthrowing the entire federal government using the authority of the executive branch), they might as well be doing nothing.

              How convenient that would be for the executive branch, and the administration you allegedly oppose, if everyone just agreed to accept the bullshit argument that the rest of the federal government might as well not even exist because it wouldn’t make a difference anyway.

              Nobody is calling what is going on with SNAP a “win” for the courts. Even though the propaganda you’re trying to spread relies on people believing that it can only be one of two things a win or a loss, the reality is there is no “winner.” This is not a win for the courts, but it’s also not a win for Trump. It’s another speed bump.

              A fascist was elected president by a majority of the ~30% of the country who actually bothered to show up and vote. Setting aside who should have/could have done what differently, that is why he’s president. He was elected, and presidential immunity existed before Trump ever abused it. Judges cannot uphold the rule of law, and ignore a preexisting law just because of circumstances. All they can legally do is rely on using existing checks and balances that remain to try to impede him and slow down the damage he does.

              At the same time, because of the checks and balances which you argue “do nothing,” the president does not have unchecked executive authority, even if he does have more authority than any fascist ever should.

              If he did indeed have unchecked authority, there would be no need for his administration to request any appeals in response to a judge’s ruling, no reason for Vance to spread false propaganda that judges have no authority over the president, and no reason for people like you to try and help him spread that bullshit by continuing to repeat the false narrative, that since the rule of law can’t stop him from doing everything, it doesn’t do anything.

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      Why would JD Vance need to go on TV and spread propaganda “facts” about how much executive power Trump really has (again)?

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        Because they love the sound of their voices. The power they have isn’t earned or given, it’s stolen. And regardless of how you want to perceive it, facts or propaganda, the reality is: he’s gonna do whatever he wants and no one is stopping him. Which is basically him being a king… despite all those super useful no kings protests /s

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          People are figuring out how to side step the all powerful king, and using the law to their advantage to outsmart him. Because shockingly, it turns out he’s not always as all powerful as he believes he should be, and he’s also not very smart.

          That’s also why he needs his lap dog to lie and make claims about his power. That way he can claim his political enemies are the ones breaking the law by upholding it.

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            They aren’t sidestepping. How are they? Judges told him to pay SNAP. He said “No” they said “well okay, we will have another meeting.”

            Name a something that is actually a sidestep, resulting in a win that he hasn’t or won’t be able to ever come back around and say “nope.”

            Everything is just another trial or hearing away from leaning in Trump’s favor.