University officials said the shot appeared to come from a nearby campus building roughly 200 yards (180 m) from the event area; local media identified the location as the Losee Center rooftop.
It really isn’t. 200 yards for a descent rifle with a scope would be considered an easy shot.
Rifles are generally zeroed at 150 to 200 yards. In other words the cross hairs go directly over the target. No worrying about bullet drop and even a stronger wind wouldn’t change the truectory over an inch. It’s not considered even a “long range” shot with a rifle until you’re over 600 yards.
Adequate shot, then. Similar to Mangione’s alleged crime the style in waiting for a gun violence argument to shoot the pro gun violence guy is almost up there with the etchings on the bullet casings. It’s no Shinzo Abe duct tape shotgun but then that was a truly world altering situation.
Its wild that rich people get so much flair when they’re killed. Kids were shot today and gazan kids died. But the media is all sympathy about a pampered pro-pedophile propagandist guy who made way too much money trying to make the world worse.
200 yards is a pretty decent shot for most people. I mean his range was a little high considering he was probably aiming for center mass, but the windage was dead center.
At 200 yards most decent shooters have a grouping of 3-4" at a long range if you have one in your area. Under pressure and with a single shot… Not bad at all.
I don’t think you aim for center mass in this situation. You want to get a clean kill shot. Don’t give them the chance of surviving. I think he (or she) was aiming for the head and missed by a bit.
Nah, you pretty much always aim for center mass. With modern rounds you’re just as likely to get a clean kill shot with center mass as you are with a head shot. Unless someone is obviously wearing a heavy plate carrier anything faster/heavier than a .223 is going to do the trick.
It’s not like shooting at the range, even at 200 yards hunting deer, your nerves wreck accuracy. I can consistently group 2.5" at 200-300 yards at the range, but that doesn’t transfer over even to hunting deer on family property. Most people haven’t ever shot at a living animal, it makes a difference.
The nerves would be the biggest part. Windage wise at 200 yards we’d be talking about 3 inches or less left or right and less than an inch high or low if there was a steady breeze going. Guessing a bit, not knowing what rifle\ammo the shooter used. Nerves aside, I’m just saying it was something any novice shooter could do so long as they weren’t standing while shooting free hand.
There’s a huge difference between range and reality. The vast majority of combat casualties for infantry happen within 80 yards, which is why virtually all “assault” or battle rifles are zeroed at a hundred yards.
The vast majority of “skilled” shooters lack access to ranges that have anything over 50 yards available, let alone 100 yards. If you can reliably group 3 inches at 200 yards your probably in the top percentile of marksman in the country. Not many people hunt anymore, and most people going to shooting ranges are going for handguns or rifles zeroed at 100 yards or less.
It probably sounds strange for people who live in communities that hunt or have an avid rifle culture, but not much of the population can even safely handle a rifle anymore, let alone be accurate with one at 200 yards.
I’m not sure where you live, but you underestimate the amount of people who can shoot a rifle. Also, while you can zero a hunting rifle at 100 yards, most bullets haven’t apexed yet at 100, so the bullet will continue to raise up a bit before starting to drop.
All mostly irrelevant because the first 250 yards of almost any ammo is like 3 inches from its highest to lowest point.
Basically, if you’re shooting less than 250 yards and your rifle is zeroed out anywhere from 50 to 200 yards, no matter what anything else is, if you put the cross hairs directly over the target that’s 200 yards out you’re going to be within 3" of your mark. When aiming at anything under 300 yards that’s larger than a coyote you don’t really have to worry about windage (unless it’s very windy) or bullet drop or leading the target or anything. Target in cross hairs and fire is all that’s required. I could get a complete novice to hit a melon at 200 yards in less than 10 minutes time so long as they don’t flinch while pulling the trigger.
I’m not sure where you live, but you underestimate the amount of people who can shoot a rifle.
I think you’d be surprised… I live in Oklahoma, one of the highest gun per person populations in the US. However, this is not the norm when considering the entire US population. Only 20% of Americans live in rural areas, and not all of them regularly go out to the range. With a population nearing 350 million, only around 12 million people participate in rifle target shooting and less than that on a regular basis.
Also, while you can zero a hunting rifle at 100 yards, most bullets haven’t apexed yet at 100, so the bullet will continue to raise up a bit before starting to drop
Again, have you ever taken a novice out to shoot with a hunting rifle? Most people barely understand how to zero a scope. There are only around 10 million people in the US that even hunt with rifles.
if you put the cross hairs directly over the target that’s 200 yards out you’re going to be within 3" of your mark.
That is a huge “if” for most people…I think you are underestimating how terrible of a shot the vast majority of people are.
I could get a complete novice to hit a melon at 200 yards in less than 10 minutes time so long as they don’t flinch while pulling the trigger.
Right, but could you get a complete novice to cleanly take down a buck at 200 yards? Now imagine shooting at a person, and in a scenario that is likely to lead to your death or imprisonment immediately after.
Also “so long as they don’t flinch while pulling the trigger” that takes a while for people to learn, and it gets a lot worse when aiming at something that’s alive.
Helluva shot then
It really isn’t. 200 yards for a descent rifle with a scope would be considered an easy shot.
Rifles are generally zeroed at 150 to 200 yards. In other words the cross hairs go directly over the target. No worrying about bullet drop and even a stronger wind wouldn’t change the truectory over an inch. It’s not considered even a “long range” shot with a rifle until you’re over 600 yards.
Adequate shot, then. Similar to Mangione’s alleged crime the style in waiting for a gun violence argument to shoot the pro gun violence guy is almost up there with the etchings on the bullet casings. It’s no Shinzo Abe duct tape shotgun but then that was a truly world altering situation.
Its wild that rich people get so much flair when they’re killed. Kids were shot today and gazan kids died. But the media is all sympathy about a pampered pro-pedophile propagandist guy who made way too much money trying to make the world worse.
200 yards is a pretty decent shot for most people. I mean his range was a little high considering he was probably aiming for center mass, but the windage was dead center.
At 200 yards most decent shooters have a grouping of 3-4" at a long range if you have one in your area. Under pressure and with a single shot… Not bad at all.
I don’t think you aim for center mass in this situation. You want to get a clean kill shot. Don’t give them the chance of surviving. I think he (or she) was aiming for the head and missed by a bit.
Nah, you pretty much always aim for center mass. With modern rounds you’re just as likely to get a clean kill shot with center mass as you are with a head shot. Unless someone is obviously wearing a heavy plate carrier anything faster/heavier than a .223 is going to do the trick.
It’s not like shooting at the range, even at 200 yards hunting deer, your nerves wreck accuracy. I can consistently group 2.5" at 200-300 yards at the range, but that doesn’t transfer over even to hunting deer on family property. Most people haven’t ever shot at a living animal, it makes a difference.
You should always aim for center mass if it isn’t protected, but a lot of would be assassins aim for heads. No one aims for a neck.
The nerves would be the biggest part. Windage wise at 200 yards we’d be talking about 3 inches or less left or right and less than an inch high or low if there was a steady breeze going. Guessing a bit, not knowing what rifle\ammo the shooter used. Nerves aside, I’m just saying it was something any novice shooter could do so long as they weren’t standing while shooting free hand.
Anybody could have made that shit.
There’s a huge difference between range and reality. The vast majority of combat casualties for infantry happen within 80 yards, which is why virtually all “assault” or battle rifles are zeroed at a hundred yards.
The vast majority of “skilled” shooters lack access to ranges that have anything over 50 yards available, let alone 100 yards. If you can reliably group 3 inches at 200 yards your probably in the top percentile of marksman in the country. Not many people hunt anymore, and most people going to shooting ranges are going for handguns or rifles zeroed at 100 yards or less.
It probably sounds strange for people who live in communities that hunt or have an avid rifle culture, but not much of the population can even safely handle a rifle anymore, let alone be accurate with one at 200 yards.
I’m not sure where you live, but you underestimate the amount of people who can shoot a rifle. Also, while you can zero a hunting rifle at 100 yards, most bullets haven’t apexed yet at 100, so the bullet will continue to raise up a bit before starting to drop.
All mostly irrelevant because the first 250 yards of almost any ammo is like 3 inches from its highest to lowest point.
Basically, if you’re shooting less than 250 yards and your rifle is zeroed out anywhere from 50 to 200 yards, no matter what anything else is, if you put the cross hairs directly over the target that’s 200 yards out you’re going to be within 3" of your mark. When aiming at anything under 300 yards that’s larger than a coyote you don’t really have to worry about windage (unless it’s very windy) or bullet drop or leading the target or anything. Target in cross hairs and fire is all that’s required. I could get a complete novice to hit a melon at 200 yards in less than 10 minutes time so long as they don’t flinch while pulling the trigger.
I think you’d be surprised… I live in Oklahoma, one of the highest gun per person populations in the US. However, this is not the norm when considering the entire US population. Only 20% of Americans live in rural areas, and not all of them regularly go out to the range. With a population nearing 350 million, only around 12 million people participate in rifle target shooting and less than that on a regular basis.
Again, have you ever taken a novice out to shoot with a hunting rifle? Most people barely understand how to zero a scope. There are only around 10 million people in the US that even hunt with rifles.
That is a huge “if” for most people…I think you are underestimating how terrible of a shot the vast majority of people are.
Right, but could you get a complete novice to cleanly take down a buck at 200 yards? Now imagine shooting at a person, and in a scenario that is likely to lead to your death or imprisonment immediately after.
Also “so long as they don’t flinch while pulling the trigger” that takes a while for people to learn, and it gets a lot worse when aiming at something that’s alive.
Well, okay then.
Howabout “divinely inspired”?
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Seems as though they have. I’m sure there will be camera footage though if it came from the top of a University building.