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    Some of them will never get it, even if it’s spelled out right in front of their face.

    Randall has known Binod for more than 16 years. A self-described conservative constitutionalist Christian, he blames Joe Biden for Binod’s deportation. “Biden was completely responsible for it. Trump wasn’t,” he said. In Randall’s view, Trump was “just fixing the border”, cleaning up after Biden’s failure to control immigration, and Binod was collateral damage.

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      It annoys me to no end that people take these quotes and dont pop back “biden wasmt presidemt when that happened. How stupid are you?”

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        His incredibly stupid logic is that Biden allowed illegals to swarm into the country, forcing poor Trump to brutally crack down on them, which caught ones that Biden supposedly were responsible for as well as ones that were already here.

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          I get the logic. The problem was the guy tgis person was talking about came here in 2009. Which was obamas time. An argument could be made for bushes responsibility since it was at obamas beginning before any major changes happened.

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      “even if it’s spelled out right in front of their face.”

      Brave of you to think these people can read.

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    “It turns out the man is not at all Christlike. But what choice did we have? God couldn’t possibly have expected us to vote for a woman!”

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    This is enraging… They’re so close to realizing that they don’t practice what they’re literally preaching.

    Beyond that it’s all just the standard “When I make a mistake, it’s because of circumstances; when you do, it’s because of character” BS they use to justify voting for their own oppressor.

    “People who’ve been conservative their whole lives are even showing up at liberal protests against ICE raids,”

    Trump. Is. NOT. A. Conservative. He’s an authoritarian whose politics change with the last person he spoke to. Conservatives have been duped since he captured their party. So many of them have spent over 10 f’ing years now just voting for him because of the little f’ing “r” next to his name while thinking that everything is normal. Well it’s not normal and your husband gets deported. Be happy he wasn’t violently arrested and sent to a torture prison (yet).

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      Conservatives have never had a coherent set of principles besides serving the ruling class. Ruling-class unearned privilege is the thing conservatism was founded to conserve. Any other principles they espouse have changed over time, either because the interests of the ruling class have evolved, or because the conservatives are just being sanctimonious hypocrites and saying whatever it takes to gain power.

      So, yes, Trump is a conservative. He’s serving the malefactors of great wealth, including himself.

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        Someone pining for the 1950s. Fear of God, nuclear energy, suburbs, all 50 states complete, and the apple pie.

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        It’s a lost identity, is what it is. American conservatives will give you 4 different definitions of what conservatism is supposed to be, and leftists will give you an additional 6 more.

        What it’s supposed to be is a political counter to the progressivism of the left. Lefties push progressive rhetoric and the conservatives keep them in check to prevent them from blowing up the economy.

        Except, in practice, we haven’t had a conservative leader that actually knows the value of a dollar bill in (at least) over a century, even prior to that it was primarily the political party of “I want to keep slaves and I’m not going to let you stop me”, and in the modern day it’s been entirely co-opted by the Christian Church and its tireless quest to completely enslave every human being on the planet.

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          Conservatism was originally founded in the late 18th century to oppose Enlightenment ideas of rule of law and meritocracy. Those ideas were being promoted by new-money capitalists and the striving middle class. Progressives had very little traction back then, except in short bursts. The 18th-century revolutions were led by the bourgeoisie, allied in some cases with the working class. The leaders of the American revolution were mainly large landowners, and those of the French revolution lawyers and journalists.

          The only strong progressive movement in the US was the labor movement at the beginning of the 20th century. Both US parties committed vast resources to suppress and persecute that movement. FDR later co-opted some of their ideas in order to reform capitalism enough to prevent the left seizing power. But for most of US history, there hasn’t been enough progressivism in the US for the conseratives or the liberals to bother spending much effort opposing it.

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          even prior to that it was primarily the political party of “I want to keep slaves and I’m not going to let you stop me”

          Still is.

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        Well, it depends on who you ask. Conservatism is maintaining the status quo and tradition, hence the name. But Republicans aren’t aiming for that, they want to actively remove protections, ostensibly as a return to tradition, but the historic time they describe never existed. Therefore, because they are destroying, they are regressives.

        Currently, the party taking the “hold on now, let’s not be hasty, this is how we’ve always done it” stance is the Democrats. And we don’t have a major progressive party.

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    The only thing that Donald Trump has in common with Christ is that they were birthed by women. Nothing else in common.

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      I mean, Mary was supposedly around age 14 when she gave birth to Jesus. I wouldn’t consider a 14 year old to yet be a woman.

      I’m not being any more pedantic than Shakespeare’s Macduff.

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    These are the kinds of people where if Jesus Christ actually came back, touched upon earth again with all of his glory, they would still believe of him being of just some homeless person pretending.

    They’re the kind of people who love cherry-picking bible verses and still wouldn’t have a clue as to what they really mean. Only picking them because ‘well it just sounds nice and sounds like me and whatever muh values are’ the kind of values that change just as much as Trump’s does whenever he so much manages to go take a dump, toilet or diapers. Whichever.

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    Diane wrote letters to Idaho’s governor and to Trump demanding Binod’s return. She was “disappointed” by the governor’s response – a form reply – and noted that the White House never replied

    This reminds me of those videos you’d see in the early parts of the Russo-Ukrainian War, where some Russians would make some sort of appeal to Putin about some problem, as if he actually cared about some random soldiers on the frontline.

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    Sometimes, the conversations turned to politics. Stephanie, a conservative, says her moral compass was set by belief in scripture, strong borders and opposition to abortion. “Binod liked playing devil’s advocate when we talked about politics,” she recalled. “He did agree with some of Trump’s policies, especially on the economy.”

    By early August, more than three dozen Bhutanese refugees from across the US had been deported to Bhutan. According to recent reports, they were immediately told by Bhutanese authorities to leave the country. Some who made their way to refugee camps in Nepal were arrested by Nepali police and processed for deportation back to Bhutan. A Nepali news outlet reported that on 17 August one of the deported Bhutanese refugees had died by suicide in a camp. Others have gone into hiding, including Binod.